frankaidenryan ([info]frankaidenryan) wrote,
@ 2006-02-27 23:22:00
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So. I just watched the first part of 'Tipping the Velvet', a BBC/HBO productions about girls who like girls.

Hmm. Well, it wasn't bad. I honestly like same sex couplings as I'm bisexual myself, but I have to be honest and say - since one girl worked as an oystergirl - if I see one more sexually implicit scene with oysters I'm gonna throw up. The title was implicit enough. Or am I just the only one who 'got'the metaphor the first time and after another five gratuitous scenes involving licking, sucking and caressing oysters thought "ENOUGH! or too much."

Hey, I'm all for cunnilingus. And I must say, it's refreshing to see an honest love story about girls liking girls on telly and not some fake Jenna Jameson-ish charade of flirtatious plastic-fantastic all American smutfest. You know, Lavey wrote that men who are fetishistically turned on by lesbians are actually closeted homosexuals, because the idea of a same sex coupling turns them on so much, they see in two women what they can't have. And seeing how especially the American adult industry is literally bursting at the seems with scenes imported directly from Lesbania itself, I'm beginning to agree with him there. The fact that he wrote this halfway through the 80's goes to show. Gratuitous lesbian behavior nowadays is something of a household brand. "Buy this pack of laundry detergent and get a free lesbian."

...

I'm probably just jealous I don't get a free gay boy with MY detergent.


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[info]ins_freie
2006-02-28 12:40 am UTC (link)
Hello. I'm Devon, and I am now stalking you just friended you. Found you through a comment in the Friendly Hostility journal, read your stories, like them, liked your poetry, liked your taste in music. Therefore, friended.
-ins_freie

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[info]frankaidenryan
2006-02-28 10:47 pm UTC (link)
Hey Devon! I friended you back, you seem an interesting person as well. I'm always interested to hear what people think of my stuff, so you're always welcome to say hi to me on MSN. I use ryan20bi@hotmail.com for it.

Cheers!

Frank Aiden Ryan

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[info]jchance
2006-02-28 12:47 am UTC (link)
I think that's some of it, although most of the repression theories play a lot better if the denied situation is actually bi, but there are some other explanations that seem to play in. There's the simple "two women are better than one", the appeal of what's still somewhat taboo, and the notion that for some it creates an ego-gratifying fantasy of "converting" the fantasy's object, even being the only one able to. And then, for some guys, (probably including myself, as I have some degree of mixed gender identification) there's the fantasy of _being_ a lesbian, of both having and fulfilling the desire for women in some sense.

All that intellectualised shite out of the way--a big "oy" to the oysters. Enough with the eroticising food already!

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[info]frankaidenryan
2006-02-28 10:53 pm UTC (link)
Hmm, two women are better than one? ye gods, what will they think of next, four boobs are better than two??

Then, for some it creates an ego-gratifying fantasy of "converting" the fantasy's object, even being the only one able to? Right, but I'm talking porn here, not the intense desire to bed two lesbians or even one lesbian. I'm only specifying the act of watching two lesbians go at it and getting off on that.

As for the 'being'a lesbian...never considered that. Never felt it, either, although I will confess dreaming about being female and acting sluttish, but that was probably only because I felt the distinct desire to seduce some straight guys who were otherwise unattainable unless I had drastic surgery done.

And as an aside, come to think of it? I'm sure there IS porn out there with women who have four boobs. Two real ones and two latex ones.

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[info]jchance
2006-02-28 11:17 pm UTC (link)
Hmm, two women are better than one? ye gods, what will they think of next, four boobs are better than two??

I'm sure for some guys, yes. I'd say "not on the same body, they aren't"...but, honestly, for me, this is a big one. If it's women I want to see at the time, why have anyone in the scene who isn't?

Then, for some it creates an ego-gratifying fantasy of "converting" the fantasy's object, even being the only one able to? Right, but I'm talking porn here, not the intense desire to bed two lesbians or even one lesbian. I'm only specifying the act of watching two lesbians go at it and getting off on that.

Well, I wouldn't doubt that there's some "bet I could" even then. But...it's not that I think even the guys prone to this think it every time, just that if they ever do, it adds a positive association.

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[info]raza_
2006-02-28 01:15 am UTC (link)
I always figured the potential of lesbian sex as some sort of supranormal reaction for anyone who likes girls, really. Sortof like they make diaper commercials with babies with unrealistically big heads to overstimulate your cute senses, or the way you can make a baby bird open it's beak even further holding bright red paper in front of it than it does in response to it's parents' red beak bringing food.

Anyway, I'm not about to complain about anything overstimulating my happy senses.



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[info]frankaidenryan
2006-02-28 11:06 pm UTC (link)
I['m certainly not complaining either. I like all same sex couplings as well as male/female couplings. However, if you flip the coin, it's remarkable how many lesbians who would never date a man enjoy male/male couplings. Consider the fact that there are tons of women who enjoy yaoi or even Sandra's comic.

Or maybe the overall population is so numbed down by the ammount of female/female couplings that the whole 'fetishist' argument I made is no longer valid at all, psychologically speaking.

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[info]raza_
2006-03-01 01:55 am UTC (link)
I've never met or otherwise known of an example of a lesbian who liked m/m couplings, at least not sexually like so many guys like f/f couplings. Then again I do imagine it's quite possible, as I do know of a few lesbians who're lesbian only in practise because of bad experience with males, so it does sound feasible enough.

Besides that, I've always had a good bit of a lesbianism fetish myself, and I'm certainly no closet homosexual. Not due to being culturally oversatiated with it, either, as it did the trick for me from the very first time I saw any sneaking out of bed to secretly to look at porn on tv when I was like, 10.

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[info]jchance
2006-02-28 11:19 pm UTC (link)
...I think this is kind of the same as the first of my three thoughts, expressed a bit more completely.

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